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FEEDBACK AND VOICES
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As known UCM matches it, to make the people react. And here we have a collection
of reactions... the worst things at first... better ones will follow, ugh!
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Hi DICKHEAD,
I ran across your site today and frankly I'm disgusted. I first read your so
called review of st offline. I've got news for you. your full of SHIT. About
st offline. I read that article you did about it and straight away I know you
hadn't done more than look at the main menu.
And yet you insult these guys (namely Chris & Lee) who've been active atari
supporters for years. Yet what have you done? NOTHING but come on posting a
few K worth of wintroll crap insulting others. I took at
the rest of your site and aside from posting obvious bollox about others
who actually do something, all you have is a few links that are years
out of date, either they've gotten out of the atari scene years ago or
are bankrupt.
Let me spell it out for you, if you really want to contribute, cut the
crap, stop being an asshole and instead get off your lazy ass and DO
SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE.
James M. Alexander
editors note... Yo man! I came across from the toilet and as I looked back into
the toilet I thought, hey! That looks like James M.! Kewl! Stop
kiddin... Ok, what have I done so far? Better what have YOU done
so far when you compare the things I did in the last 9 years
with "nothing"?! I'm really interested to know that. Maybe you
are the ST OFFLINE fanclub and you think this is enough... esp.
since ST OFFLINE is dead. If you would be interested in the
things that are going on in the Atari scene you surely don't
needed 8 months to find out about UCM's review of ST OFFLINE...
To cut this... I did something, esp. with the release of this
issue of UCM, while all the things YOU did are just sending
crappy messages to others THAT are doing something. Shut up
asshole!
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hello,
Even though we feel you were not impressed with ST offline, you could have at
least supported the fact that Lee Round was supporting Atari, maybe not they way
you would have liked but at least it was a effort towards such.
Slagging off ST supporters is not a wise thing to do. Review and say what you
like about the zine, but at least people were trying. If Lee actually had some
support off people instead of the constant complaints maybe it would have been
better suited towards people. I don't like you slaggin' off the Mega displayer
as it was tested with others alike and was in fact the fastest.
I never understood why people said it wasn't :-\ It may have not been as fast
as C+ displayers but it was good for STOS. Ok, so it didnt have all the junk
added in which other displayers had, who cares, I and no one else I knew of ever
used anything more than the basics. It was also the fastest in displaying in
text pictures, but of course this was never really used appart from in Mega
Disczine. Lee also spent a lot of time is programming the Shell for ST OFFLINE,
I thought he did a very good job in his themes and should be at least given some
credit for such.
ST Offline was born when I stopped writing MEGA Disczine due to lack of support/
interest. I started out with MEGA when STOSSER went out. We wanted a zine to be
born which could at least carry the older STOSSER memeber over. Which it did.
I also gave the zine more freedom to allow other topics of interest. Ok, they
may have not been Atari related but we loved doing the zine, the shells and the
knolage that we were doing out bit, even if in some small way, to support Atari.
I made issue 4 the last becasue I no longer had the time to support the zine.
Lee took over from then and renamed the zine ST offline. He had his own ideas
about what went in and he did just that.
the zine was done to what we was interested in.
Lee had already thought about this and was working on a HTML version which not
run on a ST at all. It seemed to be to much of a effort for the lesser mongols
to work out how to copy them to a ST disc so It was decided a online HTML
version would be produced. Plans did go so far for this work but Lee had other
things on his plate and still does so it never got really started.
The rest of the old MEGA disczine crew had half lost interest in Atari's since
they had nothing to aim for. In fact a few of them moved to PC platform, some
lost contact, others just sold thier ST's. maybe this wouldn't have happend if
the lazy ST users, and yes I do mean it, LAZY ST USERS, actually got up off
their butt's and did something to support such efforts. we sure as hell did.
This was the very reason why STOSSER died, then MEGA, now ST offline. We all
tried to make the best of it and pick up the peices and carry on forward. Which
I think we all did very well. We loved every moment of it.
If you didnt think these efforts were good enough them Im sorry about that, but
we are not the ones to blame for it only the ST users. these days I dont do
anything to support Atari anymore. Not becasue I dont want to , but the users
are just not worth it. That will upset the few good people left on the ST scence
as I know a lot of people still do great jobs in supporting. I have heard good
and bad. I know from a lot of sources that the ST users just slag one enough off
these days and moan and moan about things when its only thier own fault for not
doing anything them selves. It was the old case and I will quote from STOSSER
"Don't just read! Write!" .
how many people read STOSSER but never wrote in ? who knows but it died in the
end as a result. I have even found one hell of a lot of people over the years
which read MEGA but never wrote anything, and they have said that they wish they
had now, though its way to late and more people have been lost.
I would carry on to support Atari if there was just cause to do so, which TBH I
really dont think there is anymore. I would even write software to do whatever
but why would I waste anymore of my time ? Lee is really , and I mean REALLY die
hard ST fan. I think even he has just about had enough of the abuse from ST
users who just moan and not actually provide anything constructive.
I think your review just about kills ST offline and keeps anyone from even
looking at it, killing it before it even has a chance to start, now is that
REALLY the thing to do ??! Lee and myself know that people did like the zine
and were looking forward to the next issue.
The same was for MEGA also, some liked it some didn't. Its how it goes, but at
least they had the decency not to slag off the whole thing. Some people liked
some articles and some didn't. Just becasue 1 person didn't like doesn't mean
they have to warn off others from viewing it.
I guess really thats just what the ST user scence has come down to. I for one
really dont like it but thats just how it is. Its far to easy to moan about
something than to actually help some one. This attitude has already killed 3
zines that out groupd have been supporting, proably and for sure, a lot more
zines. So its not fair to point the finger of blame of the few trying to do
soemthing to support thier beloved ST.
I for one feel now that we have took yet another bash in our guts for trying to
help. I was going to support other zines but TBH I couldnt find anything which
was still going at the time. I know maggie was probably the best suited but Ive
not seen anything from them in a long time now. Though I dont even look anymore.
Why would I ? or why would any of the our contacts bother ? while the moans
exsist theres no point. I know software developers who were actually willing to
write ST programs, but they never did just becasue it wouldn't get support
enough to warrent it. Even if they did, they would expect programs for free
which don't really help support the software developers in thier efforts.
Yourself and people alike may live at another end of the ST sence while we at
the other, though from our point of view we have really just given up. We will
still use our ST and have pride in doing so, but when it comes to supporting
things, why bother when all we get is moans ?
You can publish this where ever you like. I am not open to abuse from Atari
users one bit, If this is taken as abuse then I have just wasted the past hour
expressing my feelings.
Chris Swinson.
editors note... Hello Chris, even if it seems that you're searching someone who
has to be guilty for the fact that you have given up the mag it
seems you're trying to point your fingers on me in some way,
even if ST OFFLINE was already dead as you discovered my review
of it on the net, since the arrival of your mail and the ones
of your mates at nearly the same day shows up that someone of
you stumbled over the page and informed the others... but as it
seems nobody of you already has checked that it was already
published so many months before on a diskmag... So please don't
blame me for being one of the killers... since you gave up
before... On the other hand I understand your point of view,
since I checked this out all the years I'm creating "my" mag...
The Atari scene maybe is known for their friendship but not for
their support... esp. for their support of diskmagazines. But
after all it isn't good to say that the others are the reason
that the magazine has died. As main editor you're the one who
gives and takes life. Without your power a magazine wouldn't
survive at all. Sure, the readers and supporters are a need,
but if you for yourself give up, nobody can save anything. I
for myself are creating the reanimated UCM nearly alone, only
with very few helps... that means I'm writing about 9o percent
of the articles alone, and I'm aware of the fact that many
people didn't like that. But I will go on doing so, since it is
my personal support for the Atari scene, giving it a bit more
colours, something more to read, some different views, some
diversity. If we all would only wait for support and wont fight
through the first hard years, we wouldn't be here but died so
many years before... Some people have to power to fight, some
not... Of course, anyone who leaves our lines is a loss, but it
can't be the solution to stay as liar in telling the people
things that aren't meant earnest or as truth. Some people told
me I have something like the duty to inform the people in the
way it is from my view onto the things, not to telling them
lies because I don't want to kick someone... As magazine writer
you always stand in the line of fire and if you can't stand it
you already have lost the fight... But after all only to write
that the lame ST users are the reason for quitting can't be the
solution... since if all would think so, as written above, we
would never have reached the year 2oo2...
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Dear Moondog,
My name is Lee Round and I assume you are from Germany, especially with your web
site located in Germany. I know of your magazine and many others that support
the Atari platform, but I suggest you read the following.
I have read your personal review of my disk magazine "St_offline", and you have
a few facts wrong within your review. The magazine is now outdated and not what
you wrote. Furthermore, I believe you do not fully understand what the magazine
was all about. If you would like me to explain further then simply send me an
Email.
I do not mind any attempt at a review from anyone, but I would like to know why
you have chosen to use the word "Freak"? Would you like to explain the use of
such words and what do you think the definition of that word is? I'm sure you
know that the word "Freak", is taken from the English and not from the German
language?
There are many magazines being created by supporters of the Atari computer but I
believe you are taking this far too seriously. I try to create many types of
magazines for the Atari when I have time, but we all have a life to get on with
and in my opinion the Atari platform is slowly coming to an end.
Haben Sie noch etwas hinzufügen?
MR Lee Round.
editors note... Ja, ich habe noch etwas hinzuzufügen! Since you asked me about
the use of the word freak. I'm very aware that it means in the
origin in a deprciating way a handicapped person, at least this
is known to me because of the use of the word in comparison with
an old movie that is about little and deformed people. But after
all we shouldn't start to split some hairs here, since me and I
think also YOU are knowing that the use of the word freak isn't
seen as offense today, since we all are freaks. The word is used
today in comparison with people that are infected by some very
special things, just like computing or something. We all are
infected with the Atari virus, so we are Atari freaks, people
that are die hard fans are called freak as well. So I don't have
a problem to be called a freak as well and so I'm using that
word without the sense to insult some people too...
Another thing, you told me that I take my job too serious... I
think if I wouldn't take it so serious, UCM would already be
buried and gone... Since I reanimated the magazine, I'm putting
all my powers and time, that is left besides my real life, my
family, my job and other hobbies, into it, just to save it for
the scene. I still don't see the UCM as a thing that can vanish
from today to tomorrow... I've put so much energy in building up
that magazine, in saving it for years and saving it for times I
have left the scene, as well in reanimating it to give the scene
some more colours, that it was finally some part of my life...
It isn't a thing I wont to give up over night, since if I would
do so, I would never stand 1oo % behind it and if you aren't you
already have lost... Surely, the Atari platform isn't growing
but shrinking year per year, but is that a reason to give up at
all? I don't think so since when you're leaving you're one of
the people who makes the scene shrink... I for myself will try
to write and publish UCM as long as possible, since every UCM
release will give the scene something back... sure, there are
always people who don't like the things they read in here, but
they read only my personal views, they aren't thought to stand
for the whole community, and if someone doesn't like the things
he has red here, he can sat down and write something by himself,
but the most don't do so and so they must read UCM in the way I
create it or have to shut up... I offer them the possibility to
spread their views and thoughts, but if they don't use it, it
isn't my fault at all...
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Hi Eric !
first i need to tell you that you seem to attach a bit too much importance on
your articles. There is no common point between my critics of tSCc's last two
intros and UCM21 or you'll need to explain me what are these mysterious common
points!
as for the tSCc intros : I admit the word "recycling" was the worst chosen and
had nothing to do there but I guess I was tired after working too long on alive.
I was simply disappointed to see very little design in these intros, poor chosen
colors and some fx looking worse in their final version than in Llama's unspread
previews (I'm thinking of the horrible spinning star in Centauri here while
preview version used the enhanced STe palette) but it seems you are the only one
allowed to criticize :) sorry but among the many releases, only the last tSCc
left a bitter taste in my mouth, esp when you have top reboot afterwards what is
kinda newcomer lame bug... I didn't remember this pun in your lame dolphin
picture to be honest. So stupid ppl think they are right when they are just so
fucking wrong and I really hate being blamed for the wrong reasons.
as for UCM21 : i was really happy to read something new, something i wouldn't
have been 200% involved into but really reading ucm21 became a pain in the ass
after a while: it seems like (in your opinion) we are all lamers, creating shit,
writing shit, eating it too (which is surely the rightest statement of the
three)... that goes so tiring after a while esp as I see no point doing this.
you seem to play big guy, yeah you're a rebel because you say "fuck you" to
everyone but I see no real sense of values nor anything you seem to defend in
your views. Your article about "ucm at its worst" was (using your language) full
of shit, lies and twisted info but trust me I'll write about that in the ucm21
review. Still I'm not angry at you, I don't want ppl to lick my ass like dumb
pets but real criticism is what I am expecting, not just bullshit.
another example : in the review about our 'Apocalypse' demo you wrote it was STe
only because it didn't run on your STf. Is it the way you handle information ?
then you should be a fucking journalist telling lies! this demo is ST compatible
and i'm not responsible if it fucks up on your STf. Sure you have to write that
it didn't work on your Stf (a bug no one ever complained about before you!) but
don't say it's Ste only because it doesn't use any STe spec.
well this could go on for hours and I would be glad to meet you again and
discuss this. again, I have no anger, i'm just a bit disappointed. Maybe I
remembered you as someone who said what he thought and not someone who said
everyone else sucked... whatever... i hope to can get other writers for the next
issue of UCM so that I can expect to read varied articles with different views
(and don't try to write them all changing nickname :).
I'm sure you won't understand that but really it makes me sad to see you back as
pissed as you were when you left. i hoped to see you back a bit more mature.
Dunno... I'll have to read UCM21 again anyway, maybe i'm just wrong here, don't
know what to think.
cheers, sebastien aka lame main editor of alive
editors note... This time I don't know what to do, but finally I wont leave any
comments here. I deleted all my thoughts lately since I don't
wanted to start with all the quarrels again esp. since all minds
are calmed down. I just let stand this letter in here without
any comments and you can make your own thoughts about it, since
when you're a regular reader of UCM you know the facts... Last
thing to add is that please take a second look at the article
that caused all this pain in STsurvivors ass... can you see the
two (!) sentence signs? Just (?!)... and we learned in school
that you can use both signs if the sense of a sentence is split
in two different meanings... But stop... I don't want to write
more here, read all the stuff carefully again or just skip it...
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Yo atari dudes !
What a surprise for me to see the UCM is still alive ! :o)
Anyway, I'm glad to see you're back on the atari scene. As I said, 2 diskmags
are better than only 1 ;o)
Best regards
EdO
editors note... now we are three?! Thanx mate...
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Yoho Moondog,
After reading GrEaT UCM 21, it seems that you don't know what "pouet" means.
If that's true, just read. :)
"pouet" is the word for a sound, it mainly defines what you can hear when
pressing on a old car horn or playing a note on a trumpet. But it can also be
the sound for a fart or pressing on a tit (should be a funny sound so ?).
I hope it was just a few little bit interesting for u ! ;)
CU !
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editors note... Oha, another french origin, like "meuh"?! Thanx for the laurels!
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Hi Moondog,
Mac Sys Data here of POV. Just read your web page at
http://www.sirlab.de/tscc/ucm21/deathcds.html.
I know it is pretty old but it is so true about compilation makers. I started
POV years ago and I last released a disk 12 months ago. I gave my source code
away to select people who passed it on and other lamers then claimed they wrote
the code.
Anyway, I should be releasing some more POV compilations in the next 12 months.
Nothing special but at least I am alive and making compilations.
regards
Mark
Mac Sys Data of POV
editors note... We always try to reveal the truth, even if it sad sometimes... I
hope to see the one or other compile by you in the next months..
Go on supporting Atari... I will do so as well...
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Hey Eric
On a cheerier note, I'd like to congratulate you with the revival of UCM. I
enjoyed the first "undead" issue a lot, controversial as always! Never imagined
you'd dislike the design of Tut! that much though, but I have to admit that my
opinion is obviously biased by being involved in the project the way I was.
Ah well, at least you gave your honest opinion and not some kinda "blowjob-
criticism"... :-)
Cheers,
/Peter.
editors note... I never would make blowjob criticism... anyone who thinks he can
have a blowjob by me must be aware of a big bite into his long
john silver... ;)
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That's it for this time... After all the negative reactions you can see that we
are still here since we aren't people who are as weak that they quit the scene
because of some bad reactions... Of course the last issue seemed to be one of
the most controversial issues since the UCM - Maggie war, but I believe the
scene will survive such quarrels since it survived so many hard times... and
overall those reactions showing up that the Atari scene isn't such a homogenous
melting pot but a colourful bunch of individuals...
.tSCc. moondog
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